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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 8:54am

Agree...!

I guess..then your team is at the right place to enhance their career graphs !

Sameer Malkani said:

Anushka, unfortunately the reality is stark...Change is a process- and the process is initiated by individuals/entrepreneurs at a grass-root level ..hopefully, in the not so distant future we hope to see the process take shape. In our organisation, most of our team are young college kids (or rather adults) ..who have not yet completed their graduation...but have the skills and qualities required for effective functioning.

Anushka Shroff said:

Hi Sameer
I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share ……
Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues.
I guess , this would not change :)
Thanks,

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 8:55am

True :)
pankaj khandelwal said:

i agree with you .....you just have to be the Presidents doc or anyone similarly related and the awards are heaped on to you ...there are so many docs in so many cities doing great work and great service to mankind without even a pat on the backs to them from anyone....However ,to get to your point of discussion ,degrees and certificates are no indication that one is best in one's profession ....

Anushka Shroff said:

Pankaj...most of the docs who are famous and doing "great work" ..are connected with elite society and bollywood ..etc etc...to get a celebrity status and equate it as 'great work'...

Thanks

pankaj khandelwal said:

many good doctors have had a miserable medical school life ....and yet are extremely famous and doing great work
Neil Bahal said:

I do not think so. Infact a lot of celebrated businessmen and successful folks have average education.

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 9:15am

Hi Abhishek...

...this would have been agreed in the pre-nuptial agreement :).....for sure....

the people in TCS ,Wipro, Infosys..etc.etc..do a donkey's job......and to start their own is out of question...they are.so used to the comfort zone....and its only the routine processes & policies they follow to perform...where the  creativity.new .experiments etc go for a toss........it takes a lot ..a challenge....to start your own to test the real professional experience to bring out the best potential of oneself...

Prejudiced hiring has become a trend...& ..hope it gets into an up-prejudiced mode soon...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts...

 

Abhishek Rai said:

This is the problem with this country. The fate of persons like me (I am also a forced Engineer) get decided on the "Suhaag Raat" of the parents itself. Ladka hua to "Engineer", Ladki hui to "Doctor". 

 

Thats why lakhs of people work like slaves for Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Cognizant, Persistent and numerous others and dont even dare to try or Start on their own.

 

This social concept that professional degrees are the only way of sure-shot way to a good life, is producing only slaves.

 

We do not encourage people to follow their path, experiment, endeavor, try and fail.

 

Oh, did I mention "Fail".

 

In India You cant even dream of failing because society will finish and murder you the same moment. And since "Failing"is such a morbid word in this society, people want their wards to gather professional degrees, work like slaves...

 

Coming back to the point of discussion...

 

In my short career of slavery of 10 years, I have observed that there are good people and bad people everywhere, including the hallowed halls of IIT/IIM ( I have seen some absolutely lousy ones)and an obscure degree college of Virar (One guy I hired a salesman at 3.5K/month salary in 2004 is now Regional Manager with Maxx Mobile).

 

You have to be very un-prejudiced while hiring and look for a person's aptitude and attitude also apart from the degrees...

 

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 9:17am

Hi Sanjay

It certainly is controversial...

Thanks

SANJAY DODRAJKA said:

Great thoughts already shared.

Just wish to add that I am a CA,ICWA and CS. We were scared of going after any more degrees and sometimes even asked to hide the CS degree while applying for jobs. The reason given by seniors was that your interviewer would think that you are not focussed in life as to what you want to do - that's why you have been chasing every other degree.

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 9:18am

Yes Abhishek...He is :)

Abhishek Rai said:

And I bet, this Mr. Know-it-all gentleman would be himself from either IIT/IIM/NITIE...

Anushka Shroff said:

Hi Sameer
I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share ……
Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues.
I guess , this would not change :)
Thanks,

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 11, 2010 at 9:21am

Abhishek......so be it...Cheers

Abhishek Rai said:

Anushka,

 

Soon you will have more business from that so called TOP FMCG company. They will need a new Business Head. A Business Head as prejudiced and biased as him, is bound to fail sooner or later...

 

Cheers!!!

Anushka Shroff said:

Hi Sameer
I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share ……
Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues.
I guess , this would not change :)
Thanks,

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Permalink Reply by Hemanshu Jain on December 11, 2010 at 5:51pm

I have thought about going for a post graduation myself a lot of time; but then i think will it really make a difference? I have done my B.E in Mechanical engineering and was clueless of what i had to do in life. After my graduation i realized that it actually didn't make sense for me.

As i was a creative person and didn't wish to take up engineering as my career i shifted to creative business. Here i'm after 5 years of work experience in digital marketing in different organizations i feel education is an industry which only believes in sucking the money out of you; in fact its better to join an organization which gives you an opportunity to learn and helps you understand the business better.

I being a 2win graduate employee feel that i have a lot better understanding of the digital marketing business than a lot of people in the market when I interact with them (not that I wish to challenge them or anything)... although its actually bad to boost about yourself this way and sometimes overconfidence kills you. I only believe in the fact that a good organisation makes your career and not any degree or certificates...and yes i would love to be a part of 2win at least once in my life time again 

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Permalink Reply by Pankaj Kayathwal on December 11, 2010 at 9:14pm

Hi Anushka,

The key word here is "BEST", which is a relative term for "Talent"; as since it is a superlative term, the number of such persons would be grossly limited; however, we do have several persons with professional degrees and certificates and diplomas who are employed at very basic levels or are carrying out their own business with not much growth and achievements.

 

No ... merely more professional degrees and certificates cannot ensure the "BEST" talent.

 

As someone earlier has also pointed out, it entirely depends upon a person's own attitude, IQ & EQ which majorly decide on what he/she is worthy of, capabale and able of taking up any assignement either as an employee or an entrepreneur.  Most of that comes to the individual naturally based upon his/her own acumen, upbringing, ideologies, level of self-confidence, passion and understanding.

 

I remember a particular gol-gappa and chaat wala in Kolkata who had migrated to that city in late 60's from Rajasthan. He was admired and his wares were sought after by all age-groups becuse he dished out the best 'gol-gappas and chaats';  thousands of IITians, IIMians, MDs, PHDs, etc. have qued up to his shanty just to savour the 'evening supper'; the person has almost half-a-dozen multi-storied buidings in Kolkata today ...a great success story ! There are many like this ... and without any "professional degree / certificate / diploma". ...

 

One can always acquire knowledge on his own without having to go to any College or University and get a "paper degree" for that purpose; a person is intelligent and talented if he has a good knowledge and skill in the profession / assignement that he/she takes up ... hence acquiring and using the acquired knowledge skillfully with the purpose to achieve positive results is being talented. ..

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Permalink Reply by arpit shekhar on December 12, 2010 at 12:22am

There is no substitute for experience....talent does not flow from degrees..knowledge may be there..but practical application is where they will lack....

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Permalink Reply by Anushka Shroff on December 13, 2010 at 10:03am

Hi Arpit

In that case, then isnt a formal learning a  mandatory requisite for the practical application ?

 

arpit shekhar said:

There is no substitute for experience....talent does not flow from degrees..knowledge may be there..but practical application is where they will lack....

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Permalink Reply by Dhruv goyal on December 13, 2010 at 3:13pm

No i dont think so...

There are many who are successful withour even a profissional degree..

You guys can check the list at

www.startupsdesk.blogspot.com

 

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Permalink Reply by Pankaj Kayathwal on December 13, 2010 at 6:21pm

Agreed ...but there is lot of difference between learning and attaining the degrees/ certifications / diplomas ! Even Eklavya attained knowledge on the art of warfare, even though he was not granted any recognition of what he learnt.

Hence, to actually find out whether a person is skilled / has the requisite talents, he must be put to test on coressponding fields, and should / cannot be judged by his mere diplomas or certificates or degrees.
Also, experience and on-the-job learning are also equally important; the B schools would always prefer to have students with some working exposure so that they are able to grasp and comprehend the formal learnings better.

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