Hi Anushka,although I have a high degree in Surgery and have collected quite a few certificatesmedals during the course of my medical education ,I am of the opinion that higher degrees and certificates are not a fool proof indication of best talent and efficiency.In our country ,these pieces of paper mean a lot ,marks carry a high value and so does theoretical knowledge….but practical training and practical knowledge i think is more essential….
Anushka, more professional degrees and certificates just implies that the candidate has gone through rigours of formal education.
In no way does this imply best talent, skills, efficiency or any other attribute.That being said, if the job profile is technical or vocational in nature, I would personally ALSO give some standing to a professional degree/certificate.
There are 2 ways of looking at this, Better degrees and certificates offer higher value to a candidate while applying for a job and a possible theoretical knowledge on how the job is done. With experience and the knowledge it could do wonders for the individual.
But Degrees and certificates would not help a person who looks to do business, I think if you are looking at your own business in the long term then getting better experience and practical knowledge combined with industry contacts would help you go farther then focusing on gaining higher degrees.
The Tag CEO/Owner of ABC is more valuable then words which BE, MSc, PhD in my opinion.
Talent to make money ? To paint? To fix engines? To code in multiple languages? I know one person of each who hasn’t a relevant degree, yet excels in that domain.
Do the certificates / training if you want to learn something new, but not as an end-all.
The exceptions (that I know of) would be in medicine, dentistry or sciences like psychiatry or chemical engineering, where the qualification is required to enter the field.
Hi Tejas
True….Practical experience is much more handy at any given point of time and takes you placeswhen you start your own business…
but most of the organizations sprint behind the “Degrees” on the profile of a candidate than the experience. It’s sad, and my observation is the people having more experience are a second option when selecting talent for top / senior management….and nor are they performing anything extra ordinary to the less qualified. Hope this changes someday….
Most of the known super qualified experienced medical professionals have erred hugely at the cost of the paitents life and the top “surgeons” has messed surgeries …..one word for them “commercialize” on the name of degrees and experience
Hi Sameer
I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share ……
Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues.
I guess , this would not change 🙂
Thanks,
Hi Anushka,although I have a high degree in Surgery and have collected quite a few certificatesmedals during the course of my medical education ,I am of the opinion that higher degrees and certificates are not a fool proof indication of best talent and efficiency.In our country ,these pieces of paper mean a lot ,marks carry a high value and so does theoretical knowledge….but practical training and practical knowledge i think is more essential….
Pankaj…most of the docs who are famous and doing “great work” ..are connected with elite society and bollywood ..etc etc…to get a celebrity status and equate it as ‘great work’…
Thanks
pankaj khandelwal said:
many good doctors have had a miserable medical school life ….and yet are extremely famous and doing great work Neil Bahal said:
I do not think so. Infact a lot of celebrated businessmen and successful folks have average education.
Anushka, unfortunately the reality is stark…Change is a process- and the process is initiated by individuals/entrepreneurs at a grass-root level ..hopefully, in the not so distant future we hope to see the process take shape. In our organisation, most of our team are young college kids (or rather adults) ..who have not yet completed their graduation…but have the skills and qualities required for effective functioning.
Anushka Shroff said:
Hi Sameer I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share …… Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues. I guess , this would not change 🙂 Thanks,
i agree with you …..you just have to be the Presidents doc or anyone similarly related and the awards are heaped on to you …there are so many docs in so many cities doing great work and great service to mankind without even a pat on the backs to them from anyone….However ,to get to your point of discussion ,degrees and certificates are no indication that one is best in one’s profession ….
Anushka Shroff said:
Pankaj…most of the docs who are famous and doing “great work” ..are connected with elite society and bollywood ..etc etc…to get a celebrity status and equate it as ‘great work’…
Thanks
pankaj khandelwal said:
many good doctors have had a miserable medical school life ….and yet are extremely famous and doing great work Neil Bahal said:
I do not think so. Infact a lot of celebrated businessmen and successful folks have average education.
I guess..then your team is at the right place to enhance their career graphs !
Sameer Malkani said:
Anushka, unfortunately the reality is stark…Change is a process- and the process is initiated by individuals/entrepreneurs at a grass-root level ..hopefully, in the not so distant future we hope to see the process take shape. In our organisation, most of our team are young college kids (or rather adults) ..who have not yet completed their graduation…but have the skills and qualities required for effective functioning.
Anushka Shroff said:
Hi Sameer I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share …… Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues. I guess , this would not change 🙂 Thanks,
i agree with you …..you just have to be the Presidents doc or anyone similarly related and the awards are heaped on to you …there are so many docs in so many cities doing great work and great service to mankind without even a pat on the backs to them from anyone….However ,to get to your point of discussion ,degrees and certificates are no indication that one is best in one’s profession ….
Anushka Shroff said:
Pankaj…most of the docs who are famous and doing “great work” ..are connected with elite society and bollywood ..etc etc…to get a celebrity status and equate it as ‘great work’…
Thanks
pankaj khandelwal said:
many good doctors have had a miserable medical school life ….and yet are extremely famous and doing great work Neil Bahal said:
I do not think so. Infact a lot of celebrated businessmen and successful folks have average education.
…this would have been agreed in the pre-nuptial agreement :)…..for sure….
the people in TCS ,Wipro, Infosys..etc.etc..do a donkey’s job……and to start their own is out of question…they are.so used to the comfort zone….and its only the routine processes & policies they follow to perform…where the creativity.new .experiments etc go for a toss……..it takes a lot ..a challenge….to start your own to test the real professional experience to bring out the best potential of oneself…
Prejudiced hiring has become a trend…& ..hope it gets into an up-prejudiced mode soon…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts…
Abhishek Rai said:
This is the problem with this country. The fate of persons like me (I am also a forced Engineer) get decided on the “Suhaag Raat” of the parents itself. Ladka hua to “Engineer”, Ladki hui to “Doctor”.
Thats why lakhs of people work like slaves for Infosys, TCS, Wipro, Cognizant, Persistent and numerous others and dont even dare to try or Start on their own.
This social concept that professional degrees are the only way of sure-shot way to a good life, is producing only slaves.
We do not encourage people to follow their path, experiment, endeavor, try and fail.
Oh, did I mention “Fail”.
In India You cant even dream of failing because society will finish and murder you the same moment. And since “Failing”is such a morbid word in this society, people want their wards to gather professional degrees, work like slaves…
Coming back to the point of discussion…
In my short career of slavery of 10 years, I have observed that there are good people and bad people everywhere, including the hallowed halls of IIT/IIM ( I have seen some absolutely lousy ones)and an obscure degree college of Virar (One guy I hired a salesman at 3.5K/month salary in 2004 is now Regional Manager with Maxx Mobile).
You have to be very un-prejudiced while hiring and look for a person’s aptitude and attitude also apart from the degrees…
Just wish to add that I am a CA,ICWA and CS. We were scared of going after any more degrees and sometimes even asked to hide the CS degree while applying for jobs. The reason given by seniors was that your interviewer would think that you are not focussed in life as to what you want to do – that’s why you have been chasing every other degree.
And I bet, this Mr. Know-it-all gentleman would be himself from either IIT/IIM/NITIE…
Anushka Shroff said:
Hi Sameer I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share …… Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues. I guess , this would not change 🙂 Thanks,
Soon you will have more business from that so called TOP FMCG company. They will need a new Business Head. A Business Head as prejudiced and biased as him, is bound to fail sooner or later…
Cheers!!!
Anushka Shroff said:
Hi Sameer I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share …… Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues. I guess , this would not change 🙂 Thanks,
I have thought about going for a post graduation myself a lot of time; but then i think will it really make a difference? I have done my B.E in Mechanical engineering and was clueless of what i had to do in life. After my graduation i realized that it actually didn’t make sense for me.
As i was a creative person and didn’t wish to take up engineering as my career i shifted to creative business. Here i’m after 5 years of work experience in digital marketing in different organizations i feel education is an industry which only believes in sucking the money out of you; in fact its better to join an organization which gives you an opportunity to learn and helps you understand the business better.
I being a 2win graduate employee feel that i have a lot better understanding of the digital marketing business than a lot of people in the market when I interact with them (not that I wish to challenge them or anything)… although its actually bad to boost about yourself this way and sometimes overconfidence kills you. I only believe in the fact that a good organisation makes your career and not any degree or certificates…and yes i would love to be a part of 2win at least once in my life time again
The key word here is “BEST”, which is a relative term for “Talent”; as since it is a superlative term, the number of such persons would be grossly limited; however, we do have several persons with professional degrees and certificates and diplomas who are employed at very basic levels or are carrying out their own business with not much growth and achievements.
No … merely more professional degrees and certificates cannot ensure the “BEST” talent.
As someone earlier has also pointed out, it entirely depends upon a person’s own attitude, IQ & EQ which majorly decide on what he/she is worthy of, capabale and able of taking up any assignement either as an employee or an entrepreneur. Most of that comes to the individual naturally based upon his/her own acumen, upbringing, ideologies, level of self-confidence, passion and understanding.
I remember a particular gol-gappa and chaat wala in Kolkata who had migrated to that city in late 60’s from Rajasthan. He was admired and his wares were sought after by all age-groups becuse he dished out the best ‘gol-gappas and chaats’; thousands of IITians, IIMians, MDs, PHDs, etc. have qued up to his shanty just to savour the ‘evening supper’; the person has almost half-a-dozen multi-storied buidings in Kolkata today …a great success story ! There are many like this … and without any “professional degree / certificate / diploma”. …
One can always acquire knowledge on his own without having to go to any College or University and get a “paper degree” for that purpose; a person is intelligent and talented if he has a good knowledge and skill in the profession / assignement that he/she takes up … hence acquiring and using the acquired knowledge skillfully with the purpose to achieve positive results is being talented. ..
Agreed …but there is lot of difference between learning and attaining the degrees/ certifications / diplomas ! Even Eklavya attained knowledge on the art of warfare, even though he was not granted any recognition of what he learnt.
Hence, to actually find out whether a person is skilled / has the requisite talents, he must be put to test on coressponding fields, and should / cannot be judged by his mere diplomas or certificates or degrees.
Also, experience and on-the-job learning are also equally important; the B schools would always prefer to have students with some working exposure so that they are able to grasp and comprehend the formal learnings better.
Isn’t a Degree required for an entry to any white collar job ?
Pankaj Kayathwal said:
Agreed …but there is lot of difference between learning and attaining the degrees/ certifications / diplomas ! Even Eklavya attained knowledge on the art of warfare, even though he was not granted any recognition of what he learnt.
Hence, to actually find out whether a person is skilled / has the requisite talents, he must be put to test on coressponding fields, and should / cannot be judged by his mere diplomas or certificates or degrees. Also, experience and on-the-job learning are also equally important; the B schools would always prefer to have students with some working exposure so that they are able to grasp and comprehend the formal learnings better.
Sure.. generally .. but not always neccessary if you are the person who spells out the rules and can decide when to break the barriers ! But, the debate is actually on whether “more” professional degrees & certs imply best talent….. so a person with a single degree or specialisation in one area could be far more talented than a person with multiple degrees / certs … a jack of all !!
I agree that degrees do not guarantee success, nor intelligence nor marks not even performance ;-). But we cant extent the logic to say degree is negatively correlated to performance or to be successful you have to be a drop out. If this was so the education will be of no relevance.
It is also proved that education helps in being successful and the formal qualification offers an organised means of imparting knowledge. Many smart people acquire this knowledge without going to school and many acquire this by going to school also.
Degrees is one of the ways of getting educated, though not the only way..
My thoughts as follows: Education, Degrees assist structure the thought process but seldom make up for aptitude or application. Its the same thing as: a fresh graduate can keep pursuing studies further but does not work and hence no application and the other works and acquires necessary credentials either as he goes along or has some; whom would you hire? One with credentials alone or the other with a lot more experience than degrees?
Sanjay…I find it unwise to hide professional degrees and strange enough or in that case dumb enough who ever told you to do so…as CA,CS and ICWA degs carry huge weightage on a candidature…whereby makes a smooth entry to the BFSI sector or others. ..a CA,CS combination is in huge demand as organizations look towards a licentiate CS + CA……..its like you buy a flight ticket , then a boarding pass to reach to your destination ………
If the interviewer thinks you are not focussed,..I guess ..he is not as qualified as you and thinks you could be a threat….and he’s a thorough non-professional……………………..
Anushka
SANJAY DODRAJKA said:
Great thoughts already shared.
Just wish to add that I am a CA,ICWA and CS. We were scared of going after any more degrees and sometimes even asked to hide the CS degree while applying for jobs. The reason given by seniors was that your interviewer would think that you are not focussed in life as to what you want to do – that’s why you have been chasing every other degree.
Hemanshu….as you mentioned.. you graduated form 2win group then phd was not far :)..sometimes by choice we dont see the learnings and challenges in the org we workfor and then look forward to join back …yes such org are the degrees to our success !
Hemanshu Jain said:
I have thought about going for a post graduation myself a lot of time; but then i think will it really make a difference? I have done my B.E in Mechanical engineering and was clueless of what i had to do in life. After my graduation i realized that it actually didn’t make sense for me.
As i was a creative person and didn’t wish to take up engineering as my career i shifted to creative business. Here i’m after 5 years of work experience in digital marketing in different organizations i feel education is an industry which only believes in sucking the money out of you; in fact its better to join an organization which gives you an opportunity to learn and helps you understand the business better.
I being a 2win graduate employee feel that i have a lot better understanding of the digital marketing business than a lot of people in the market when I interact with them (not that I wish to challenge them or anything)… although its actually bad to boost about yourself this way and sometimes overconfidence kills you. I only believe in the fact that a good organisation makes your career and not any degree or certificates…and yes i would love to be a part of 2win at least once in my life time again
Hi
Agreed, but are an entry to a specific destination………
Koshy T said:
I agree that degrees do not guarantee success, nor intelligence nor marks not even performance ;-). But we cant extent the logic to say degree is negatively correlated to performance or to be successful you have to be a drop out. If this was so the education will be of no relevance.
It is also proved that education helps in being successful and the formal qualification offers an organised means of imparting knowledge. Many smart people acquire this knowledge without going to school and many acquire this by going to school also.
Degrees is one of the ways of getting educated, though not the only way..
Thanks for sharing ….I would hire the latter of course…!
Vandana Parikh said:
Hi Anushka
My thoughts as follows: Education, Degrees assist structure the thought process but seldom make up for aptitude or application. Its the same thing as: a fresh graduate can keep pursuing studies further but does not work and hence no application and the other works and acquires necessary credentials either as he goes along or has some; whom would you hire? One with credentials alone or the other with a lot more experience than degrees?
It depends upon the integrity of the Institution or Organization, I work on ATG (Recently acquired by Oracle) a E-commerce Tecnology, and the quality they maintain in there Training and in Evaluation test is very high, so any body with ATG certification is in very demand within the Domain.
And it’s true that most of the famous business man had an average education and good doctors had terrible medical school time, but that is just the few. People with good education will be good most of the time. A strong theoretical base is very good if you are going practical. If you are practicing then also you will be referring to books or white-papers etc. so whether you study before or while practicing, you have to study.
more Professional degrees doesn’t guarantee best talent but they increases the probability, like doing a B .Tech doesn’t guarantee a job but maximizes the probability.
Professional degrees are only an indicator, they do not imply that the person behind the degrees / certificates really does posses the requisite talent to succeed in real world. They simply mean that somebody has spent time, effort and money to acquire them, but can they apply this learning effectively in real life, is another matter altogether.
pankaj khandelwal
Hi Anushka,although I have a high degree in Surgery and have collected quite a few certificatesmedals during the course of my medical education ,I am of the opinion that higher degrees and certificates are not a fool proof indication of best talent and efficiency.In our country ,these pieces of paper mean a lot ,marks carry a high value and so does theoretical knowledge….but practical training and practical knowledge i think is more essential….
Sameer Malkani
Anushka, more professional degrees and certificates just implies that the candidate has gone through rigours of formal education.
In no way does this imply best talent, skills, efficiency or any other attribute.That being said, if the job profile is technical or vocational in nature, I would personally ALSO give some standing to a professional degree/certificate.
pankaj khandelwal
many good doctors have had a miserable medical school life ….and yet are extremely famous and doing great work
Neil Bahal said:
TMS.Shammie
There are 2 ways of looking at this, Better degrees and certificates offer higher value to a candidate while applying for a job and a possible theoretical knowledge on how the job is done. With experience and the knowledge it could do wonders for the individual.
But Degrees and certificates would not help a person who looks to do business, I think if you are looking at your own business in the long term then getting better experience and practical knowledge combined with industry contacts would help you go farther then focusing on gaining higher degrees.
The Tag CEO/Owner of ABC is more valuable then words which BE, MSc, PhD in my opinion.
Regards,
Tejas
Mahesh Khambadkone
Talent to make money ? To paint? To fix engines? To code in multiple languages? I know one person of each who hasn’t a relevant degree, yet excels in that domain.
Do the certificates / training if you want to learn something new, but not as an end-all.
The exceptions (that I know of) would be in medicine, dentistry or sciences like psychiatry or chemical engineering, where the qualification is required to enter the field.
Anushka Shroff
Hi Tejas
True….Practical experience is much more handy at any given point of time and takes you placeswhen you start your own business…
but most of the organizations sprint behind the “Degrees” on the profile of a candidate than the experience. It’s sad, and my observation is the people having more experience are a second option when selecting talent for top / senior management….and nor are they performing anything extra ordinary to the less qualified. Hope this changes someday….
Anushka
Anushka Shroff
Hi Mahesh
Most of the known super qualified experienced medical professionals have erred hugely at the cost of the paitents life and the top “surgeons” has messed surgeries …..one word for them “commercialize” on the name of degrees and experience
Thanks
Anushka Shroff
Hi Sameer
I have observed that the person with professional degrees and certificates are purely hyped characters…I know many doubly qualified “ IIM’s & IIT’s” who are without jobs ……but…..the tag IIM IIT carries weightage…Let me share ……
Last morning we had a meeting with a TOP FMCG MNC for their talent acquisition needs, and their Business Head commenced the discussion saying…he wanted an IIM / IIT / NITIE qualified candidate ONLY irrespective of anything else, which may otherwise lead to inflated ego issues.
I guess , this would not change 🙂
Thanks,
Anushka Shroff
Hi Pankaj
Thanks for the inputs..
pankaj khandelwal said:
Anushka Shroff
Pankaj…most of the docs who are famous and doing “great work” ..are connected with elite society and bollywood ..etc etc…to get a celebrity status and equate it as ‘great work’…
Thanks
pankaj khandelwal said:
Sameer Malkani
Anushka, unfortunately the reality is stark…Change is a process- and the process is initiated by individuals/entrepreneurs at a grass-root level ..hopefully, in the not so distant future we hope to see the process take shape. In our organisation, most of our team are young college kids (or rather adults) ..who have not yet completed their graduation…but have the skills and qualities required for effective functioning.
Anushka Shroff said:
pankaj khandelwal
i agree with you …..you just have to be the Presidents doc or anyone similarly related and the awards are heaped on to you …there are so many docs in so many cities doing great work and great service to mankind without even a pat on the backs to them from anyone….However ,to get to your point of discussion ,degrees and certificates are no indication that one is best in one’s profession ….
Anushka Shroff said:
Anushka Shroff
Agree…!
I guess..then your team is at the right place to enhance their career graphs !
Sameer Malkani said:
Anushka Shroff
True 🙂
pankaj khandelwal said:
Anushka Shroff
Hi Abhishek…
…this would have been agreed in the pre-nuptial agreement :)…..for sure….
the people in TCS ,Wipro, Infosys..etc.etc..do a donkey’s job……and to start their own is out of question…they are.so used to the comfort zone….and its only the routine processes & policies they follow to perform…where the creativity.new .experiments etc go for a toss……..it takes a lot ..a challenge….to start your own to test the real professional experience to bring out the best potential of oneself…
Prejudiced hiring has become a trend…& ..hope it gets into an up-prejudiced mode soon…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts…
Abhishek Rai said:
Anushka Shroff
Hi Sanjay
It certainly is controversial…
Thanks
SANJAY DODRAJKA said:
Anushka Shroff
Yes Abhishek…He is 🙂
Abhishek Rai said:
Anushka Shroff
Abhishek……so be it…Cheers
Abhishek Rai said:
Hemanshu Jain
I have thought about going for a post graduation myself a lot of time; but then i think will it really make a difference? I have done my B.E in Mechanical engineering and was clueless of what i had to do in life. After my graduation i realized that it actually didn’t make sense for me.
As i was a creative person and didn’t wish to take up engineering as my career i shifted to creative business. Here i’m after 5 years of work experience in digital marketing in different organizations i feel education is an industry which only believes in sucking the money out of you; in fact its better to join an organization which gives you an opportunity to learn and helps you understand the business better.
I being a 2win graduate employee feel that i have a lot better understanding of the digital marketing business than a lot of people in the market when I interact with them (not that I wish to challenge them or anything)… although its actually bad to boost about yourself this way and sometimes overconfidence kills you. I only believe in the fact that a good organisation makes your career and not any degree or certificates…and yes i would love to be a part of 2win at least once in my life time again
Pankaj Kayathwal
Hi Anushka,
The key word here is “BEST”, which is a relative term for “Talent”; as since it is a superlative term, the number of such persons would be grossly limited; however, we do have several persons with professional degrees and certificates and diplomas who are employed at very basic levels or are carrying out their own business with not much growth and achievements.
No … merely more professional degrees and certificates cannot ensure the “BEST” talent.
As someone earlier has also pointed out, it entirely depends upon a person’s own attitude, IQ & EQ which majorly decide on what he/she is worthy of, capabale and able of taking up any assignement either as an employee or an entrepreneur. Most of that comes to the individual naturally based upon his/her own acumen, upbringing, ideologies, level of self-confidence, passion and understanding.
I remember a particular gol-gappa and chaat wala in Kolkata who had migrated to that city in late 60’s from Rajasthan. He was admired and his wares were sought after by all age-groups becuse he dished out the best ‘gol-gappas and chaats’; thousands of IITians, IIMians, MDs, PHDs, etc. have qued up to his shanty just to savour the ‘evening supper’; the person has almost half-a-dozen multi-storied buidings in Kolkata today …a great success story ! There are many like this … and without any “professional degree / certificate / diploma”. …
One can always acquire knowledge on his own without having to go to any College or University and get a “paper degree” for that purpose; a person is intelligent and talented if he has a good knowledge and skill in the profession / assignement that he/she takes up … hence acquiring and using the acquired knowledge skillfully with the purpose to achieve positive results is being talented. ..
arpit shekhar
There is no substitute for experience….talent does not flow from degrees..knowledge may be there..but practical application is where they will lack….
Anushka Shroff
Hi Arpit
In that case, then isnt a formal learning a mandatory requisite for the practical application ?
arpit shekhar said:
Dhruv goyal
No i dont think so…
There are many who are successful withour even a profissional degree..
You guys can check the list at
http://www.startupsdesk.blogspot.com
Pankaj Kayathwal
Agreed …but there is lot of difference between learning and attaining the degrees/ certifications / diplomas ! Even Eklavya attained knowledge on the art of warfare, even though he was not granted any recognition of what he learnt.
Hence, to actually find out whether a person is skilled / has the requisite talents, he must be put to test on coressponding fields, and should / cannot be judged by his mere diplomas or certificates or degrees.
Also, experience and on-the-job learning are also equally important; the B schools would always prefer to have students with some working exposure so that they are able to grasp and comprehend the formal learnings better.
Anushka Shroff
That’z nice..thanx for sharing
Dhruv goyal said:
Anushka Shroff
Pankaj
Isn’t a Degree required for an entry to any white collar job ?
Pankaj Kayathwal said:
Pankaj Kayathwal
Sure.. generally .. but not always neccessary if you are the person who spells out the rules and can decide when to break the barriers ! But, the debate is actually on whether “more” professional degrees & certs imply best talent….. so a person with a single degree or specialisation in one area could be far more talented than a person with multiple degrees / certs … a jack of all !!
Koshy T
I agree that degrees do not guarantee success, nor intelligence nor marks not even performance ;-). But we cant extent the logic to say degree is negatively correlated to performance or to be successful you have to be a drop out. If this was so the education will be of no relevance.
It is also proved that education helps in being successful and the formal qualification offers an organised means of imparting knowledge. Many smart people acquire this knowledge without going to school and many acquire this by going to school also.
Degrees is one of the ways of getting educated, though not the only way..
Koshy
Vandana Parikh
Hi Anushka
My thoughts as follows: Education, Degrees assist structure the thought process but seldom make up for aptitude or application. Its the same thing as: a fresh graduate can keep pursuing studies further but does not work and hence no application and the other works and acquires necessary credentials either as he goes along or has some; whom would you hire? One with credentials alone or the other with a lot more experience than degrees?
Anushka Shroff
Sanjay…I find it unwise to hide professional degrees and strange enough or in that case dumb enough who ever told you to do so…as CA,CS and ICWA degs carry huge weightage on a candidature…whereby makes a smooth entry to the BFSI sector or others. ..a CA,CS combination is in huge demand as organizations look towards a licentiate CS + CA……..its like you buy a flight ticket , then a boarding pass to reach to your destination ………
If the interviewer thinks you are not focussed,..I guess ..he is not as qualified as you and thinks you could be a threat….and he’s a thorough non-professional……………………..
Anushka
SANJAY DODRAJKA said:
Anushka Shroff
Hemanshu….as you mentioned.. you graduated form 2win group then phd was not far :)..sometimes by choice we dont see the learnings and challenges in the org we workfor and then look forward to join back …yes such org are the degrees to our success !
Hemanshu Jain said:
Anushka Shroff
Hi
Agreed, but are an entry to a specific destination………
Koshy T said:
Anushka Shroff
Hi Vandana
Thanks for sharing ….I would hire the latter of course…!
Vandana Parikh said:
Parveen Yadav
Hi Anuska,
It depends upon the integrity of the Institution or Organization, I work on ATG (Recently acquired by Oracle) a E-commerce Tecnology, and the quality they maintain in there Training and in Evaluation test is very high, so any body with ATG certification is in very demand within the Domain.
And it’s true that most of the famous business man had an average education and good doctors had terrible medical school time, but that is just the few. People with good education will be good most of the time. A strong theoretical base is very good if you are going practical. If you are practicing then also you will be referring to books or white-papers etc. so whether you study before or while practicing, you have to study.
more Professional degrees doesn’t guarantee best talent but they increases the probability, like doing a B .Tech doesn’t guarantee a job but maximizes the probability.
Arvind Sahay
Anushka,
Professional degrees are only an indicator, they do not imply that the person behind the degrees / certificates really does posses the requisite talent to succeed in real world. They simply mean that somebody has spent time, effort and money to acquire them, but can they apply this learning effectively in real life, is another matter altogether.
Anushka Shroff
Hi
Indeed..!Thx