Intro
You know, sometimes, the best place to start something, is right at the bottom. And if you are already there by fate, it’s how you make of that opportunity that counts. And Nokia seems to be doing just that pretty well.
Nokia recently launched 3 new devices, two phablets (a slang for phones and tablets mashed up together), the 1320 and the 1520, and a 10.1” tablet, the 2520!
But the reason for excitement (and this article), are not just the devices, but the fact that lots of apps are coming too! More on that later. Let’s focus on the devices and their spec sheet first.
Cutting cost, not cutting-edge
Let’s start with a budget-mammoth, the Lumia 1320.
Now, since both the new devices being 6” phablets, there has to be some difference between them, right? There is. The 1320 is a low-end phablet that slightly falls weak when it comes to specs. To begin with, the resolution is NOT 1080 but 720. Secondly, the camera is pretty weak, a mere 5MP and super-archaic VGA camera in the front (what is this, 1999?).
It doesn’t end here. The Lumia 1320 comes aboard a slightly old dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 processor. I have to admit, the phone is clearly targeted to a lower-end market, unsure whether to jump the boat from Android or iOS.
You get this (spec-wise) ugly cousin of the Lumia family for a 339$. Not bad, but not good either if you ask me.
Beauty meets bad-ass!
Now comes the real behemoth, the Lumia 1520.
Packed with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 which is clocked at 2.2GHz and is a Quad Core, this is where Windows turns into a threat for the competition.
Again a 6” screen, this one is full HD 1080p LCD, ClearBlack with super sensitive touch, all safe under a Gorilla Glass 2. Enough for your iSheep and Lagdroid fanbois to choke on that glass of water for now.
It also has a PureView 20 MP (Carl?) ZEISS optics lens, OIS and a dual LED flash. Battery is a 3400 mAh, a winner, in simple words.
My reservation is only with the screen technology of the 1520. I haven’t been a very big fan of LCD. In my humble opinion, only AMOLED compliments a Windows Phone OS.
A tablet to tom-tom about!
Now let’s talk about the evening’s show stopper, the Nokia Lumia tablet, the 2520! Yes! I am pretty excited about this as this IS the first Nokia tablet! And hopefully many more to come!
The specs too are interesting. It has a 10.1”, full HD 1,920×1, 080-pixel (218ppi) display, has Nokia’s (proprietary?) ClearBlack Display filter. It comes on a Snapdragon 800 processor, a 8974 chipset. In the camera department, it has a 6.7-megapixel as the back camera and a 2-megapixel HD front-facing camera for Skype calls. The battery is a 8,000mAh, which promises a 10 hour stand-by time.
Of course there is always a catch…Cue for you to cringe – It runs on Windows RT. Don’t know why, don’t know how. But some of the reviewers said it’s good. And we will just have to take their word for the time being…
Apps Like that…
Now comes the most interesting part of the evening! APPS!! Yes, Nokia and NOT Microsoft, is taking apps very seriously. They have struggled to get some of the biggest names onboard and they have actually succeeded to a great extent. Nokia finally announced that Windows Phone 8 will get Instagram! Not just that, there will be the official Vine app, InNote, Papyrus, Temple Run 2 etc…and of course, there is my favorite – Flipboard!
There were also some new Nokia apps announced, namely the Nokia Story Teller and the Nokia Video Director. A cool picture-viewing and a film making tool, to say the least.
Conclusion
In short, the event was quite a successful one, as we saw Nokia take its next big step in this ever going battle of smartphones.
No harm in saying that they seem to be more serious than Microsoft to see Windows as a successful name/OS in portable computing.
The only thing I badly wanted to see was an 8” tablet! But maybe…not so soon.
Original article:
https://techtrove.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/race-to-the-finnish/
Angelo Lobo
1) You spoke about the Lumia 1320, a ‘budget’ phone for nearly 17K Rupees! You do realize that ‘budget’ phones in India are below 10K? You can get an entire range of good Android phones with a 17K budget!
2) Next up, the Lumia 1520. Based on it’s suggested price, it should retail for 40K. Again, you have a range of better options in Android, including the older Note 2, the Galaxy 4, the new range of Sony phones, etc. You can also pick up the iPhone 4 for much less. As you pointed out, the Lumia doesn’t have an AMOLED screen. People who have a budget of 40K can afford to add in an extra 4-5K and get the excellent Note 3. Or even the iPhone 5!
3) Finally, any tablet that runs Windows RT is already dead. The OS is rubbish and the app choice is poor. Microsoft has already lost over a billion dollars in RT write-offs. Nearly every hardware partner has sworn off making devices for RT. The 2520 isn’t a show-stopper by any stretch of the imagination. For the same price, you can get a iPad or a Galaxy Tablet.
This is an extremely biased article (iSHeep? Lagdroid?). When you descend to name-calling, you’re really clutching at straws. Who cares about what hardware Nokia puts into their phone? Android has the same hardware, and in many cases, better specs. Who cares about how great the camera is in low light? You can’t do anything else with the damn phone!
Smartphones live and die based on their apps. It’s that simple. Apple leads the industry here. They have a beautiful looking phone. A person who buys an Apple device ISN’T a sheep, following the herd. Android has a huge number of apps too, enough for it’s users not to mind (too much) that Apple has a deeper library. Android offers choice – choice in price, choice in screen size, choice in specs.
Nokia neither has enough apps, nor enough choice. They are literally the worst of both worlds. Sure, the OS is snappy. That’s it. Many of the best apps on Apple and Android are a distant dream on Windows 8. There are only 3 ways to change this. First, cajole/beg developers to come to your platform. Limited scope. Second, bribe them to come to your platform. You need deep pockets. Third, sell more phones, make it viable for developers to have apps on your platform.
Face it. Android has the largest share, Apple the second largest. Why would I take the time to make an app for Windows 8? What’s the upside for me? First mover advantage? That only works on a platform you feel is going to explode. Nokia and Windows 8 can only implode.
Gaurang Divecha
Angelo,
Let me start by bursting your bubble. There is NO “good Android phone” in the world for 17K. #hardfact1
Any and every #Shamesung product is either an eyesore or a blindspot for me. Biased? Sure it is biased, I love Windows Phone and detest anything coming out of a Korean plastic factory, the world is going gaga about… Freaking Copy cats. If you want to pay 40K for a piece of cheap plastic…be my guest..I honestly don’t care for low light camera apps either.
Apps …Apps…apps…when was the last time you even WENT through a M S Store? Or are you just echoing every tech-blogger out there? See what apps it’s got, if it doesn’t, come back here and tell me what apps ARE lacking that you actually want..it’s very easy to say what others are saying, and I completely blame the half-baked reviews done my respected bloggers who just whine of NO APPS…there are apps…all you need to do is LOOOK…
Yes they don’t have ALLL the apps in the play store of Google and Apple. But the ones we need on a day to day basis are there.
PS: I’m not waging any fan boy war here. Done that enough of forums. This is my take on the newer devices, and if u look carefully, I have been critical about it just like you. In the end, to each his own.
Peace.
Angelo Lobo
Sigh. There you go, name calling again. Shamesung? Really? You do realize that it just makes you sound a wee bit childish, yes?
Here are some Android phones you can buy, with 17K – Lenovo P780, Panasonic P11, LG Optimus L9 P760, HTC One XC, Samsung Galaxy Grand. On the higher end, at 23K, you have the truly excellent Google Nexus 4. We’ve already established that with a budget above 40K, there are phones with much better screens, overall features and specs that the Nokia 1520. The Note3 has been universally reviewed as an excellent device, with spectacular hardware and an industry-leading screen. Sony’s new range of Mobile phones show that they have finally moved past their Ericsson days.
Now for the ‘Cheap Plastic’. If you had followed Samsung’s new range, you’d see that they are making every effort to make the plastic body look sleeker and feel more high-range. I prefer a plastic body to a unibody metal shell, because it’s lighter and ensures that I have access to the battery. If metal finish is more your thing, then HTC and Sony make some excellent phones. In fact, Sony’s new range is partially waterproof and can also link up to a Sony DSLR lens, allowing you to convert your mobile into a decent mid-range SLR. That’s what happens when you have several companies working on your phones. Choice. A range of features. Innovation.
Onto the apps. Direct quote from YOU: “Yes, Nokia and NOT Microsoft, is taking apps very seriously.” I agree completely. Microsoft has not done enough to get the best apps onto the Windows Mobile platform. I find it troubling that a former hardware partner like Nokia has to throw their weight into the ring.
You can’t be both excited about the fact that some good apps are finally coming to your platform AND also claim that everything is hunky dory!
Unfortunately, you seem to have linked yourself with your mobile platform of choice. That’s being a fanboy. I personally use Android phones, but I definitely see the merits of Apple phones. Note that despite my distrust of the Windows Mobile Platform, I have yet to attach a childish appellation to the company. Personally, I feel this elevates the discussion into an actual…well, discussion, instead of just a fanboy rant.
Gaurang Divecha
Wow! Forum wars!!
Bring it on..yes, I will continue to call it whatever I want to call it..cause that’s what it is for me…#Shamesung or #Samesung or whatever..if that makes it childish for you..so be it. Not necssarily it’s the truth. It’s ok when they blatantly rip off Apple for everything, design to software. But not ok to call them by what I think is true? Wow! Talk about fanboism!
I refuse to pay an incredibly huge amount of money for cheap, flimsy plastic like everyone else ..
And a direct quote from your reply “making every effort” says it all. You already lost me there.
Claim hunky dory? I NEVER CLAIMED that..all I am saying is it has the all the apps one NEEDS, not all the apps in Play Stores and Apps stores of the fruit company and little green bot’s. That would be calling it hunky dory.
What makes me sad is you are countering an OEM You have never used, and an OS you hardly know anything about. Before calling someone else childish, you would want to do your own homework first. ..right?
And all those devices hold no ground before even the most basic of Lumias. Will work just fine on day 1. Put 50 apps and see how it crashes, lags, stutters and limps…Android is resource hungry and I think u know that already. You do right? Why do u think a lumia even on a basic dual core kicks an android on quad?
Think…
Gaurang Divecha
An excellent article to read:
https://www.zdnet.com/the-ces-cesspool-is-all-our-own-fault-7000009593/
Angelo Lobo
Gaurang, I did mention that calling people who prefer Apple products iSheep should also be avoided in any discussion that seeks to make concrete points. I feel that it’s childish and immature to label an entire class of consumers ‘sheep’, just because you personally dislike the platform/OS. Don’t quite see how you can call it fanboism when I apply the same metric to your #Shamesung tag.
You do realise that when you buy a high end Samsung phone, you’re not paying that money for the ‘cheap, flimsy plastic’? The price tag is for the internals. Which are industry leading. Again, Android also offer’s the option of phones with unibody metal casing, for those people who shun plastic. Choice. It’s a good thing.
Why would you assume that I have never used a Nokia Lumia phone? Or that I know nothing about the Windows Phone OS? I used a LG Windows phone full time when I was working at Games2Win, and I also have full-time access (At work) to windows phones, here at Zynga. I have similar access to iPad’s and iPhones. I personally use a Note 2.
Fact is that I genuinely see no reason for anyone to move to a Windows phone. The OS is pretty but shallow. The performance is snappy, but I was hard pressed to find more than a handful of good games. Pretty much every good mobile game is iOS first. Most of these find their way to Android. Windows? Not so much. It MIGHT change in future, but as of now, the app store just isn’t there.
It’s the same story when you look at entertainment apps. Fact is that most developers look at the Windows platform as an afterthought, once they’re done with iOS and Android. Why would any consumer want to adopt this platform?
I have noticed that sub-20K Android phones do lag if you have too many apps. However, any high-end phone in the range of the Note 2 does not have this issue. At all.
If you’re worried about lag, then why would you choose a Windows phone over an iPhone? The iPhone does not crash, or lag, or stutter.
Windows always seems to choose the worst of all worlds. iPhone has iTunes, so lets have Zune. Lets NOT support drag and drop.
Apple on phones is very similar to Apple on laptops. It’s a tightly controlled environment. A limited range of hardware options. All of which lead to amazing performance.
Android on phones is very similar to Windows on laptops. It’s an open environment. Easy to write apps to. A large range of hardware options, which means the OS has to support an almost infinite combination of hardware. This results in laggy performance on lower end laptops…or phones. What you get is a price that fits your budget, whatever it may be. And the ability to almost infinitely customize your experience, get apps that are made by a single developer, not available on the ‘official’ market.
Two distinct choices. Lag-free with limits. Lower end phones that have lag, higher end phones that do not, with much more freedoms.
Again, why would anyone choose a Windows phone? Not matter what your personal preference is (Lag-free, snappy, closed system, lots of apps OR lag based on device, relatively open system, lots of apps) Windows just does not match up.
Gaurang Divecha
“because you personally dislike the platform/OS” – WRONG. They are called that cause they will blindly buy anything Apple makes, and keep singing praises no matter what falls in their plate. I LOVED my iPad Mini. BEFORE, iOS7.
“you’re not paying that money for the ‘cheap, flimsy plastic’? The price tag is for the internals” – LOL! Samsung makes most of the internals, heck they even supply it to Apple. WHY in the world would they charge me a bomb for something that’s made in the back-alley. Not like it is imported from the US. Again, this is one of the biggest reason why I hate Shamesung. Everything is homemade, use cheap flimsy plastic, and the device is as expensive as an iPhone? WOW!
The LG WP phone you are talking about is WP7. Would it be fair if I start talking about Android 2.2? Or Android 1.0? No. WP7 was an immature system, being the very first. But with WP8, loads of things have improved.
The only point I agree with you is: “Fact is that most developers look at the Windows platform as an afterthought, once they’re done with iOS and Android.” I sincerely have no answer for this and all I can say is the negative PR built around MS is appalling.
“However, any high-end phone in the range of the Note 2 does not have this issue.” Erm..weren’t we talking about a lower-end market, who CAN’T afford them?
“If you’re worried about lag, then why would you choose a Windows phone over an iPhone? The iPhone does not crash, or lag, or stutter.” I honestly LOLed at this. YOu should see my Mini now. Feels JUST like any Android out there. Lags, crashes and stutters like there is no tomorrow. If you have an iPad Mini with you on a iOS7+, try this: GO to settings, click on Wallpapers, and just see how long it takes to change the wallpaper you picked. OR, go to Safari (their VERY OWN default browser) and open 5 tabs, and 2 more with Myntra,com. I guarantee you a crash in a micro-second.
“Windows always seems to choose the worst of all worlds. iPhone has iTunes, so lets have Zune. Lets NOT support drag and drop.” Again my friend, outdated news. WP8 has brought back drag and drop, heck Zune is even discontinued!
The only thing stopping WP is all the negative PR and buzz of “NO APPS NO APPS NO APPS!” And even if all the Windows Phone fans scream from rooftops, it wont help. In fact that was my first request to you that go through the App store and tell me WHICH app isn’t there. If you say the latest ones are missing, fair enough, but Nokia is doing all it can do bride the gap.
Windows Phone is not only an innovation, it is also a landmark example of how an OS DOES NOT need to look like iPhone. Android to me is just that, a cheaper version of iOS. ANd Samsung, thanks to all the blatant rip-offs, makes it worse. The security of WP is top notch. DOn’t be surprised if one day you wake up and all your data is wiped on your Note2. I hope you know how a WP device even boots (Google: Secureboot), let alone function.
Also, WP is in it’s second iteration. And it is already showing signs of maturity. It took Android 4, F O U R, iterations to even come to a final UI, let alone the safety of the user.
Just like you, it is beyond me why would someone even buy a Shamesung device, cheap flimsy plastic, with all the INTERNALS made in some back alley, and can be sold at such a price tag. It is really a case study if you ask me (50K for that NOTE 3! LOL! Sure…in an parallel universe may be…but definitely not in this one, here and now.)
So Angelo, I think it comes down to simply this, let the WP grow a bit and see how it gorges on to the profit pie of #Shamesung and #ByeOS. Time, as we know it, will reveal all.
Something u might like to read:
https://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-dodges-black-hat-2012-certif…
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722623 (read this guys comment, StevieBallz, #7)
And you might give WP a second thought..
Angelo Lobo
Gaurang, first, I find it odd that you think that Microsoft should be lauded for getting it right in their ‘second iteration’. Microsoft started on a Mobile OS in 2000! Are you saying that those years of experience meant nothing? They should have got it right the very FIRST time, with WP7! They were late to the party, and when they finally showed up, they were already the worst option present!
You’re absolutely correct when you say that time will tell. Personally, I strongly feel that Windows Phone’s will never be able to capture any kind of significant share. They dropped the ball when it came to smartphones, they dropped the ball when it came to tablets. They have literally lost billions of dollars, thanks to these misadventures.
At present, the vast majority of the world has already chosen iOS or Android. Windows can continue to focus on the ‘We’ve changed, believe us, we’re much better now.” Does not seem like anyone cares. As I’ve said, no matter what kind of user you are, your needs can be met either by iOS or Android. There is no need for a Windows 8 phone. You might want to give that a thought.
Gaurang Divecha
Hah! Angelo, by that logic, Android should have been non-existent by now and there should have been only two mobile OSes, iOS and BB.
When I spoke about WP, I meant Windows Phone OS and not Windows Mobile. Yes, they should have got it right then, but again, I give them credit as they didn’t blindly rip-off Apple (read: Android). They tried to replicate THEIR OWN Desktop OS and failed miserably at it.
Though I completely respect your opinion that WP will fail strongly, but I want to share one of my fav quote by Nelson Mandela, “It always seems impossible until it’s done.”
Like I said, give it some time. It is already ranked high in terms of customer satisfaction, the apps are coming, and the hardware keeps getting better and better with every iteration. As opposed to some brand from Korea that is paying people to defame competition and bad-mouth them, caught cheating on benchmark tests and what not…
Even FB’s young-gun CEO has recognized the potential MS has, straight from the horses’ mouth: “Microsoft is the underdog.”
I am pretty clear where I am standing currently Angelo, it’s time for people to figure out where they are going.
Angelo Lobo
Good lord, but you seem to have some real hate for Samsung. You DO realize that there are other Android phones, yes? LG, HTC, Sony, Micromax, Acer, and on and on. Also, you think Microsoft hasn’t done stuff like this? Lie to consumers? Copy wholesale from their competitors? Work to shut their competitors down, instead of actually winning on merit? Post online videos that were derogatory about Apple, only to take them down and apologize? (This JUST happened this week). If you think for one second that Microsoft are the ‘good guys’ in this scenario, boy do I have one amazing bridge to sell to you.
BB dropped the ball as hard and as fast as Windows did. When Apple came out, they were a better option than anything else out there. When Android came out, it was a better option than anything else out there, except for Apple. When Windows came out, they were worse than even BB. Not sure if they’ve moved past BB yet, (Not used the new BB OS), but as I’ve mentioned several times above, there is literally not one area where they are not beaten hollow by either Apple or Android. Build quality? Apple. Ease of use? Apple, certain Android launchers. Apps? Apple and Android. Specs? Android. Open system, easy to mod? Android.
For a company to have a reason to exist, they should be leaders in SOMETHING. Windows isn’t. I’ve heard ‘the apps are coming’ since WP7 launched with no apps to speak of. Guess what? By the time the current crop of apps arrive on WP8, Apple and Android will have a NEW crop of apps…which will then ‘come soon’ on WP8. Rinse. Repeat.
Unless Apple or Android do something really, really stupid, this isn’t a fight that Windows can win. They’ve tried throwing money at the problem, to get people to buy into their phone and tablet ecosystem. They’ve lost billions. That’s NOT how you gain a leadership position.
It’s been clear to me from the start where you stand, Gaurav. I’m just convinced you don’t have anything to actually stand on.
Alok Rodinhood Kejriwal
Are you an agent of Nokia??
Gaurang Divecha
LOL! It’s Gaurang to begin with.
You know Angelo, if reasons can’t convince a man, nothing can. And I gave you plenty there, in the last couple of replies. Looks like you are clearly ignoring all of them. It’s ok.
I never said MS is the good-guy. All I am saying is MS DOESN’T GET CAUGHT! Like #Shamesung. And I was completely on-board with Apple till iOS7 happened. That sorry excuse of an OS is welcome change for the fanboys, not for me.
“For a company to have a reason to exist, they should be leaders in SOMETHING.” WOW! I sincerely hope you’ve heard of PCs and MS Office man. Even today, MS is a world leader in these two things. And Apple is trying really hard to beat them in their game with a Free OS. Google too is trying every trick in the book to de-throne them with Google Docs. Nothing has worked yet.
As for my hate for Samsung, I have given you enough reasons to justify it. You, on the other hand, haven’t even spared one. Again, what is it that people buy it for, is beyond me. Not that the devices comes free..(or do they?), are cheap as compared to the premium feel of Apple (or even Sony and HTC for that matter), and have some of the most obnoxious features I have ever seen.
So Angelo, help me here, what was your point again? That MS is going to fail and fall big time? Point taken. Now, all we need to do is wait and watch.
Peace.
Vinay Chhoda
Gaurang,
Thank you for letting me know which devices were recently launched by Nokia (Not that I wasn’t aware from the 100s of other sites which covered the same).
I am a bit intrigued by the context of the info you have provided. In your last para, you mention – ‘the event was a successful one’. Did you happen to attend or cover the event?
Also, whats the point in giving me a mini review of the devices launched?
Gaurang Divecha
Haha! No Alok..I am (sadly) not one…Just defending what I love. 😛
Govind G Prajapati
Ahh, so painful, long long replies and war is on….
Can’t you guys just focus on your own mobiles and forget others?
If you have Windows, live with it.
If you have and Android taste your chocolates
and If you have an Apple then have it everyday.
Gaurang Divecha
Hey Vinay,
This…erm..is strictly my take on the new devices that were launched…No I wasn’t fortunate enough to attend it, but what I meant was in terms of covering new grounds, Nokia’s event was successful.
Point of giving a mini-review? Not sure what you mean by that…It is a my take of the whole event plus the devices. Also, I haven’t written this today. This was written on the day it was launched.
Thanks for your reply.
Gaurang Divecha
Sounds like the best advice so far…No OS is perfect, not your, not mine. Period.
it’s just my take on the NOKIA event and the devices launched. Don’t know where I am rubbing people off the wrong way.
Cheers!
Vinay Chhoda
Gaurang,
Thanks for the clarification, I guess I am not smart enough to understand what the post meant and when you wrote it!
Gaurang Divecha
Sure man…any time. 🙂
Angelo Lobo
“Don’t know where I am rubbing people off the wrong way.”
Perhaps it was your ‘Rah, Rah, Windows is awesome, iSheep and Lagdroid users suck’ attitude? Think that could be it, hmmm?
I never said MS is the good-guy. All I am saying is MS DOESN’T GET CAUGHT!
Sweet Lord. In any debate worth it’s name, this statement alone would lose it for you. MS is better because they don’t get caught? Really? So Samsung’s failure isn’t their underhanded nature, but the fact that they were caught? Mein Gott!
WOW! I sincerely hope you’ve heard of PCs and MS Office man. Even today, MS is a world leader in these two things.
I have vaguely heard of these things called ‘Pee Cees’ that run ‘Office’. I WAS talking about Windows Phone though. Let me repeat myself. ‘For a company to have a reason to exist, they should be leaders in SOMETHING.’ Since WP7, the Windows Phone & Tablet division (better?) has never been in any danger of leading in any avenue, be it apps, features or specs. They literally have no reason to exist. Just like RT Tablets.
So Angelo, help me here, what was your point again? That MS is going to fail and fall big time?
MS HAS failed in the mobile/tablet space. And failed big time. I don’t think their mobile and tablet section will fall big time. It’s already pretty much fallen. Unless you think a 1 billion plus write off is par for the course. I think they will end in a whimper, not a bang.
You know what absolutely KILLS me? I’ve used Microsoft products all my life. I’ve been an evangelist for them. I used Win95, 98, 98SE, XP, Vista, 7, 8, even the absolute crap that was ME! I owned the original XBox and three versions of the 360. I looked forward to WP7. I looked forward to WP8. I even looked forward to Surface and RT! While they did better themselves each time on the mobile front, they still fell woefully short of Apple and Android. I don’t see that changing.
There was this wonderful article about what went wrong at Microsoft over the last 10 years, under Ballmer. It’s an eye opener! It seems that Microsoft had a tablet more than a DECADE before Apple. The tech was amazing for it’s time…but someone at Microsoft insisted that it run Windows. Boom. Delays. Spec increases. And a failed launch.
It’s amazing how easily you write off the years-long head start Windows had in the mobile space. They pretty much screwed that up too. This was their game to win and they choked, big time.
“Sounds like the best advice so far…No OS is perfect, not your, not mine. Period.”
Very, very true. No OS is perfect, but some ARE better than others. Again, I personally use Android, but I’m open enough to admit that Apple is superior in many ways, except for choice of handsets, price points, screen sizes and a somewhat open system. These four features happen to be important to me, which is why I choose Android.
Here is the bottom line: There isn’t a single important consumer-facing thing that Windows Mobile does, which Apple or Android can’t do better. I’ve already discussed the specifics of this. Apps, Stability, Build Quality, Price Points, Ecosystem, Features, Price Options, Screen Options, Spec Options. Why should anyone care about WP8, RT or Surface?
Sandip Mukherjee
I am with you Gaurang! I love the ‘never say die’ approach that Nokia and Microsoft have taken. I believe everyone would agree that it has become kind of a fashion statement or to show the world that now you understand information technology is to hate anything that comes from Microsoft. But Windows 8 is no doubt the most innovative and original OS in recent times. And Microsoft posted a very strong quarter-end result recently. And by the way I hope that we all know that Microsoft is earning a good revenue every time an Android device is sold. Because Google pays patent fees to Microsoft. Do I need to say anymore? 🙂
Gaurang Divecha
Oh truth hurts is it? Good for you…keep hating…you know what they say Angelo right,
“If you are pissing someone off, you are doing some thing right.” Lol..
And even I can see how easily you rubbed off all the facts I submitted here as proof why I think Shamesung is a rubbish brand. You very happily skipped to the last point…wow! Talk about selective reading man…
And you sound anything but an MS evangelist so spare me the horror. Yes, MS took one bold after another under Ballmer, but doesn’t mean it is dead. Had it been, it would have met the same fate as Palm by now.
Show me one article where MS is caught cheating shamelessly like Shamesung and I will agree to everything, I haven’t read one through my adult life so far. May be you have…or may be, you haven’t either. It’s a completely rubbish brand, high time you notice it, let alone admit.
WP is pretty much original from ground up. Unlike your Android and definitely not like your rip off king Shamesung.
I will give YOU a bottom line Angelo: WP is far beyond Android…there is one thing WP does better than Android, and that is simplicity. It gives you the control with ease and simplicity like no one else. Android is by far the most confusing OS I have ever seen. Apple ? No arguments. It WAS the father of modern smartphones. You keep customizing your little battery icons and keep changing fonts for all I care. And here’s one BIG word for you: Security. Let’s see how Android or iOS beat that, then we will talk.
Why should any one also care of an OS that is ripped of from another, more successful name.
One last thing, I had hoped for some support on this forum. Looks like there is barely any, so no point in taking this further.
This anyways didn’t go anywhere from the very first reply anyways. .i see no point in keeping this open. Mods/Admins, feel free to close it. I am done pouring water over rocks.
Gaurang Divecha
Sandip!!! Where have u been…thanks a ton man!
Finally someone who acknowledges the merits of a real innovation in these modern times…
And the last point says it all…hey Angelo, I hope you have a good comeback for this one man…on case you missed it, MICROSOFT…you know like MICROSOFT…is earning money out of…(I love saying this word right now) ANDROID for patents…LOL!
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH! Sandip you killed it man…awesome!
Angelo Lobo
Oh truth hurts is it? Good for you…keep hating…you know what they say Angelo right, “If you are pissing someone off, you are doing some thing right.” Lol..
Sigh. Gaurang, I don’t identify myself with the phone/ecosystem I use. My sense of self-worth is not connected to the devices I choose to use. I don’t mind when someone talks about Android’s shortcomings. Or Apple’s. Heck, I’ll join in, if it’s FACTUAL.
What I pointed out was that if you want to have a SERIOUS discussion about the merits and demerits of competing systems, talking about them in a childish way does not elevate the discussion, but reduces it to farce. So, no, you didn’t piss me off. You asked Govind why you were rubbing PEOPLE off the wrong way, and I suggested why that might be.
And even I can see how easily you rubbed off all the facts I submitted here as proof why I think Shamesung is a rubbish brand.
Gaurang. You mostly submitted Opinions. Here is a Fact. Windows is a distant third, fourth or fifth in mobile phone market share, depending on the region you look at. Now, here are some examples of your ‘facts’.
1) Any and every #Shamesung product is either an eyesore or a blindspot for me. Biased? Sure it is biased
Opinion.
If you want to pay 40K for a piece of cheap plastic
Again, the externals are plastic. Which I do prefer, as do many other people. Opinion.
I refuse to pay an incredibly huge amount of money for cheap, flimsy plastic like everyone else ..
Then don’t. Opinion again.
Everything is homemade, use cheap flimsy plastic, and the device is as expensive as an iPhone? WOW!
Closest you came to any kind of ‘fact’. Still not true. Are you saying the external metal shell of the iPhone adds a significant amount to it’s cost?
The biggest part of the cost of the phone have to do with it’s screen and it’s internals. The Note 3 has the best in class in Screen and Internals. The Screen is better than the iphone, the RAM is faster and larger capacity, the Processor is faster. Why should it NOT be as expensive as an iPhone? Because YOU don’t like it?
Opinion again.
And you sound anything but an MS evangelist so spare me the horror.
I don’t sound like an MS evangelist, because their actions have changed me. Again, I USED to be an evangelist (Alok can back this up! :), but I’ve changed because I’ve been disappointed again and again with their mobile and tablet efforts. Still use Windows 7 at home. Don’t want to change to Windows 8, because 7 is still better for gaming.
It gives you the control with ease and simplicity like no one else.
Apple is better.
Android is by far the most confusing OS I have ever seen.
Opinion again.
And here’s one BIG word for you: Security.
Sigh again. Here’s a series of words for you. No one cares. Apple Macbooks have historically had MUCH more security than Window’s PC’s. For years and years, they had very few problems with viruses, while it seemed like each time someone in my house sneezed, my ME PC would get a blue screen. Did I give up on Windows? No. Still haven’t. Why? I like PC gaming. Other people like PC apps. Other people like PC Office. People are WILLING to put up with security holes if the OS offers a superior experience in areas that are IMPORTANT to them.
As I’ve proved time and time again, in every area that is IMPORTANT to a consumer, Apple or Android wins.
One last thing, I had hoped for some support on this forum. Looks like there is barely any, so no point in taking this further.
Perhaps you lost support when you chose to brand the vast majority of users on this forum as either sheep or lovers of lag? (Based on the market penetration of Apple and Android vs. Windows Phone in India, it’s safe to say that the majority of any average group does not use Windows Phones. Fact, not opinion)
If you have to be snide about your competitors in order to elevate your chosen product, it says very little about you OR your chosen product. THIS is why Apple marketing WORKS. I’ve seen multiple Windows RT ad’s where they UNFAIRLY compare their tablets to the iPad. Know what that did for their sales? Absolutely nothing. Apple talks about why their product is awesome. Windows RT talks about how their product is (finally) SOOOO much better than everyone else. Apple concentrates on itself. Windows RT concentrates on everyone else.
Easy to see who will win, really.
Angelo Lobo
Whoops! Missed this one.
“And the last point says it all…hey Angelo, I hope you have a good comeback for this one man…on case you missed it, MICROSOFT…you know like MICROSOFT…is earning money out of…(I love saying this word right now) ANDROID for patents…LOL!”
I was actually aware of this. Alok, MK and I have even joked about it on occasion. Even brought it up several times with my Game Design Team. HTC had infringed on some of Microsoft’s patents from it’s Window’s Mobile days. They were ordered to pay Microsoft a license fee for each phone sold, rumored to be 5$. At the time, this meant that Windows Mobile made about five times more money from HTC sales, than they did from their own phones. This may have changed, since HTC is no longer the force they once were.
I find this fits the failure that is Windows Phone perfectly. Income from sales of their own devices were dwarfed by LICENCE FEES that they collected from an external company, that sold phones with a rival OS. One company. Beat their overall profits. For the first time in years, Microsoft was no longer the giant that could bully it’s competitors into submission. They were the minnows!
“Finally someone who acknowledges the merits of a real innovation in these modern times…”
As far as I know, HTC infringed patents from the Windows Mobile days. So no, it does not show any ‘modern’ innovation. Nothing to do with WP7 or WP8. No innovation on these two ‘modern’ platforms, I promise you. This last statement was an opinion.
I’m sure you personally feel that WP7 and WP8 are full of innovation. I’m sure that despite the presence of the benighted Windows RT, you still feel that the Nokia 2520 is “a tablet to tom-tom about!”
Here’s MY prediction. Nokia will surprise the world by releasing the Nokia Lumia Tablet 2520…and the world will surprise Nokia by not buying it!
Much Love!
Angelo