i blame the value system , and lack of self belief to pursue something bigger in life !
Why are techies so shallow, shut out when it comes to being a part of a startup over there regular jobs !
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i blame the value system , and lack of self belief to pursue something bigger in life !
Alok Rodinhood Kejriwal
oops….thats a very broad sweeping statement my friend
Saurabh Gupta
Indeed, when it comes to value creation its always the startups which needs to be more open and precise while addressing things to resources. Its not the value system but our education and social system which never teaches anyone to be an entrepreneur but find living, so be it a techie or a sales guy, every ones has it in there DNA “PLAY SAFE”.
So my friend its time to believe “charity begins at home”
TMS.Shammie
There is no such thing as techies being shallow, rather i have a lot of friends and have met a lot of techies who have ventured out on their own or plan to do so soon enough.
Rather working in something different from their day to day mundane jobs is something we techies cheerish a lot. Gives you a chance to learn something new.
On the case of Self Belief, i would say it’s not self belief it’s situations. If you have a family which is surviving on you, your confidence level on the idea you have would be 100% but your risk factor is 200% which is a hindrance. Support is needed not just at the business level but also at the personal level. Even you would think twice before starting up something on your own, if you have a family to support and a job which helps you do that. If you don’t have any personal and social support. (presuming that you have support for the idea but no cash to fund it properly in the beginning)
And i believe the education system rather makes it easier for us to become entrepreneurs. I say this because at the end of the day every techie goes through a mind boggling number of case studies that have ideas which can be worked upon to create something even better. Techies have a higher chance of becoming an entrepreneur than a normal individual according to me.
Unfortunately the society does not bear with you during the initial years. No one is going to come up and say you just started up something new and must be in need of help would you like me to come and help you out. They would rather try to own you. (There are a few exceptions everywhere though). Every one has the mentality of doing there own work and going home unless they get money, which needs to be changed.
The moment you shoot up the ranks someone will come up to you and say “Do you need any help? I can arrange something for you to help you solve the problem.” I fail to understand this mentality of helping someone who’s successful, it’s needed and i agree to that but good start-up idea needs more help. Especially at the start from those who have been in the business stream for a very long time.
Hopefully entrepreneurship will shoot up soon enough in India, i believe it has already started making headway in the Generation – Y (all us youngsters).
Regards,
TMS.Shammie
(Tejas Shah)
ashu
isnt education and social fabric/system subset of values in an individual ! as for addressing the issue “precisely” , i wish we had a situation which was exact or as we say in economics “ceteris paribus ” :all other things being equal or held constant.
My hunt , my friend ,ends at the person who understand words like dynamic , change ,asymmetrical and so on..
and , i’m still looking…….
Saurabh Gupta
This thing really doesnt exists with techies , and if they do then they are likes of Google, facebook or groupon… They cant be tamed.
ashu said:
ashu
I absolutely understand what you’ve mentioned ! would take this opportunity to share something with you :
i have been working on an idea , worked out a deal , where what we require is a prototype , i am ready to do all the spade work without asking my techi partner to quite or devote crazy hours till the time we secure funding , at least the first round , but the guy opted out .
you tell me what an i suppose to do …….. i’ve put in so uch time thinking , doing surveys , explaining etc etc…
TMS.Shammie said:
Saurabh Gupta
Hi Tejas,
I appreciate your notion and sentimental values…
What you mentioned is 100% correct but the only difference i was pointing at was the geography first and then when i said Indian education system then i am still firm on it… Learning comes anyways from any direction from any source, in India if every year almost 1 million techies are produced there are harldy 1000 among them which are by choice most of them are rooted with an idea of social security fear which you mentioned, they are injected with the fear since childhood. If 500 Graduates walk out of IIms in India or IIT who makes the news , the ones who opt for going there way denying hefty packages.
are these people not bothered about there lives or families or so called social fears, yes they are but the common denominator among these guys are that they are originals. My whole point is against the system not specifically Techies… even lacs of MBAs who walk out of colleges every year stuggle only for a job although they learn Management , economics and business… This is kind of awe full but yes it exists.
TMS.Shammie said:
Abey John
This article is particularly instructive about your position:
https://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2010-12.html#e2010-12-01T15_45_40.htm
ashu said:
Anushka Shroff
It’s not true that techies are shallow.
An issue they face when they are working for startups is that it may have been led by a non-techie professional.
Most important is , there may be a conservative budget for the development and implementation of the technical projects, which leads to a second thought. And they are unable to deploy the latest technologies etc etc.
Also, the career growth of the techie could be limited in a startup, which is co-related to the technology budget.
TMS.Shammie
It’s a complicated situation, but there could be reasons behind his decision. Maybe he doesn’t feel the idea is good enough after thinking over it, maybe he feels that it would take much longer than what he anticipated before for it become a success. Or maybe he got something better. Sometimes life gives an individual more than one option, in the end it comes down to what matters to the individual.
If he had promised and given a word on sticking with you and pursuing the path of startups with you, then him opting out is more related to the ethical values and not because he was a techie. The same thing could have happened the other way round where you could have been the techie and he would have been the business guy.
The issue here is more towards the situation and what the other individual thought or perceived to be more important and if what i said was the case then ethically it would have been wrong unless there was a proper reason behind it.
Regards,
TMS.Shammie
(Tejas Shah)
ashu said:
TMS.Shammie
True, but you forget the fact that IIT’s and IIM’s only admit a small amount of individuals. Even then when you compare the graduates from these big universities and the ones like Mumbai, Pune, Delhi, Calcutta, etc you will still find a similar group of people.
At the end its how the individual is and how his thoughts are. I have met scores of individuals from MBA schools who want to pursue something on their own, but they hardly have experience in the field of business or they don’t have any support system behind them for that. More often i have had people coming up to me and telling me, how can i start up my own business when i have invested so much amount of time and money in education.
Unfortunately another Indian mentality which is coined in everyone one of us, even the best businessmen of the country and the world is what am i getting in return of the risk and work i have put in and will be putting in. We all do this math and calculation everyday in every essence of life and 99% of the times the math says you would be taking a path which will give you less returns to the investment you have made and you will make in the start.
I simply believe, what is needed now is support and advice on personal, financial and business aspects to encourage more individuals to pick up entrepreneurship in the country. I’m lucky to have some of the best minds around me to see and learn from which will help me a lot. And hopefully guide me to a great future with amazing ideas and advice.
Regards,
TMS.Shammie
(Tejas Shah)
Saurabh Gupta said:
Aji (Digital Marketing)
Ashu,
This is my 3rd startup. My take on it is very different.
It is just a give and take. What will they get in return for taking such a risk? Do you think we have enough startup guys who are there to create huge value? Many of us are just there for money (small money), what can they expect from it.
There is an article by Alok, why people work for others. It has many good points. Every problem is an opportunity. I keep telling my Management board that as a startup we need to keep thinking about “Why a person should be there with us when someone else can give them a better options” … when our bathroom smells and the person incharge is absent to clean it up, during office or after office I will go and clean it up so that atleast one more negative thing can be removed …. when we can’t pay full salaries on time, we ask people to let us know their most urgent requirements so that we make sure they suffer less.
It is a give and take policy 🙂